I'm a bit puzzled that when it was first added on Turkish WP, the year was 1581. If you treat Ottoman history as merely entertainment, you're not doing your job to inform people. Reply[reply], Sort it out. The leading cause of death in subjects with preserved EF was noncardiovascular disease (49%) versus coronary heart disease (43%) for subjects with reduced EF. She had been a servant in the household of Hanerli Fatma Sultan, daughter of ehzade Mahmud, son of Sultan Bayezid II. WebDeath 3 Feb 1581 (aged 8081) Bursa, Bursa, Turkey. Does the translation really say she was from Euboea?? She was the chief consort of Suleiman before the appearance of Hrrem Sultan. Best:) - Worldandhistory (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mahidevran Sultan in Trke Bilgi = tr:Meahidevran Sultan in Turkish Wikipedia. I dont see why someone should expand these articles as seen from the title and the heated discussion on chief consort below that even sources are not enough and I just cant do such long discussions. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], A few sources does claim she was a wife. According to a source he was executed that very year on charges of planning to dethrone his father; his guilt for the treason of which he was accused remains neither proven nor disproven. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. I guess the authors were inspired by Illuminatis;) (just a joke, no offense) Anyway, I can't argue with you, I can only simply ask for an admin's attention to all of your WP:OR. Around 1530, Mustafa was appointed to govern Manisa, as a part of his education and old Turkish tradition. Basic Books. There must be only one, with correct facts that inform people with the necessary information, and the reader, not the editor, is the one who makes the interpretation. In her second letter to Sigismund Augustus, written in response to his letter, Hurrem expresses in superlative terms her joy at hearing that the king is in good health and that he sends assurances of his sincere friendliness and attachment towards Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. She was presented to Suleiman when he was still a prince. And with all this research you are only proving yourself wrong because NONE OF YOUR SOURCES say that M was a Muslim Convert, rather, they say, Mahidevran, daughter of Abdullah. Osmanl tarihi, Volume 2. [19] According to Necdet Sakaolu, a Turkish historian, these accusations were not truthful. New Zealand Hurrem has usually been held at least partly responsible for the intrigues in nominating a successor. The motion that all these history books are dramatized or contain anachronism can't be true. If he still insists, he can bring the source at the reliable sources noticeboard and ask for an opinion there. [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. Popular culture calls her that way because in some theatre plays she's erroneously addressed like that, just as any work of FICTION. Most other sixteenth-century Western sources on Hurrem, which are considered highly authoritative today such as Turcicae epistolae (English: The Turkish Letters) of Ogier de Busbecq, the Emissary of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I at the Porte between 1554 and 1562; the account of the murder of ehzade Mustafa by Nicholas de Moffan; the historical chronicles on Turkey by Paolo Giovio; and the travel narrative by Luidgi Bassano derived from hearsay.[11]. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. Mahidevran could hardly have predicted Hurrem Sultans success. Her supposed rivals relationship with Suleiman (r. 15201566) was unprecedented, a Partly. Its was Mahidevrans fault that Sultan Suleiman focused all his attention on Hrrem Sultana. Simply because Mahidevran was too proud and wan Leslie P. Peirce has written that it may have been either Anastasia, or Aleksandra Lisowska. My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love. And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. [36] In Jerusalem she established the Haseki Sultan Imaret in 1552, a public soup kitchen to feed the poor,[37] which was said to have fed at least 500 people twice a day. Timaru, 7910 It was the first complex constructed in Istanbul by Mimar Sinan in his new position as the chief imperial architect. Above all, her being mother of heir apparent is not a popular culture but a fact. In Albenian Glbahar means Rosne Pravnere. [5] She was born in the town of Rohatyn 68km (42mi) southeast of Lww (Lviv), a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland,[6] in what is now Ukraine. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. Despite the fact that male European artists were denied access to Hurrem in the Harem, there are many Renaissance paintings of the famous sultana. She wasn't able to smile as she once did, and she didn't show much generosity towards her Please see meaning of "Birinci Kadin" in whatever Ottoman Dictionary you like. Thanks to her intelligence, she acted as Suleiman's chief adviser on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and international politics. It is clear by your statement that you're being subjective about this: you're looking for an excuse rather than solid facts to call Mahidevran a sultana. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." WebMihrimah Sultan (1522 - January 25, 1578) was the daughter of the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent and his wife Hrrem Sultan. She imprinted her seal and watched the council meetings through a wire mesh window. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mahidevran Hatun (174192522)? But at the end of the day, that's all irrelevant. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. Memorial ID. He was a talented soldier from his childhood. Letempsviendra (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], Phso 2 You are saying that Leslie P. Pierce told n his book that for the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hurrem all the other consorts carried an alternative title Hatun.But my freind you should also know that,Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). And only after the release of the series Magnificent Century, where she was one of the main characters, various information about this sultana began to appear on the Internet.As Mahidevran's contemporaries wrote, in life she was a black-haired beauty with brown eyes. The original caption is only "sultana" and there is no reference to Rosne Pranvere. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Haseki Sultan was chief consort, and Hrrem Sultan was Sleyman's. Since founded in 2002, no complaint about the unreliability of it's sources has been made by Turkey Govt. [42], It is believed that Hurrem was a cunning, manipulative and stony-hearted woman who would execute anyone who stood in her way. Likewise Abdullah Frres's children were not slaves by nature. She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Thank you From Khondoker Jobair. The proportion of cardiovascular deaths decreased from 69% in 19791984 to Marvin died of natural causes after reportedly being hospitalized after experiencing chest pains On 13th March 2021, Marvin Hagler unexpectedly passed away in his New Hampshire home. A portrait of Roxelana in the British Royal Collection, c. 160070, A painting of Hurrem Sultan by a follower of Titian, 16th century, Roxelana and Sleyman the Magnificent by the German baroque painter Anton Hickel, (1780), Engraving by Johann Theodor de Bry, (1596), 16th century oil on wood painting of Hurrem Sultan, Tribute to Roxelana on 1997 Ukrainian postage stamp, Serlevha (illuminated frontispiece) from the Endowment Charter (Waqfiyya) pertaining to the architectural complex commissioned by Hrrem Sultan in the Aksaray district of Istanbul. The poem in the show was written by Mustafa's companion, Yayha Bey. In real life, Yayha Bey also did write a poem too. So it was not Suleiman himse Mahidevran Sultan probably had a stillborn child or short-lived daughter somewhere between 1521 and 1524. [25], After the death of Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, in 1534, Hurrem became the most trusted news source of Suleiman. https://books.google.com/books?id=VLVoAAAAMAAJ&dq, http://www.odatv.com/n.php?n=iste-gercek-mahidevran-0910121200, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=tjFpAAAAMAAJ&dq=mahidevran+sultan&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=JYk-AQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+sultan&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=ZXUQBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT95&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7ntDe0sjKAhUGZg8KHRUPAg8Q6AEIOTAG#v=onepage&q=mahidevran%20sultan&f=false, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=SAIZCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA86&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix5YWtk83KAhUMHxoKHSPbApQQ6AEIRTAI#v=onepage&q=mahidevran%20&f=false, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=5WT1BQAAQBAJ&pg=PT240&dq=mahidevran+sultan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix5YWtk83KAhUMHxoKHSPbApQQ6AEITTAJ#v=onepage&q=mahidevran&f=false. 1540. A few years later, That's all I'm requesting, for the sake of respecting Ottoman cultural heritage. Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) [1] Mahidevran and Suleiman had five children -- three sons and two daughters. [18] According to Bernardo Navagero's report, as a result of the bitter rivalry a fight between the two women broke out, with Mahidevran beating Hurrem, which angered Suleiman. 12-14 George Street In his 1551 letter to Sigismund II concerning the embassy of Piotr Opaliski, Suleiman wrote that the Ambassador had seen "Your sister and my wife." It was not because Hafsa Sultan was firmly against this unification, but because it was not allowed for a concubine to rise above the status of the Valide Sultan (Queen Mother). Prominent Ukrainian writer Pavlo Zahrebelny describes Hurrem as "an intelligent, kind, understanding, openhearted, candid, talented, generous, emotional and grateful woman who cares about the soul rather than the body; who is not carried away with ordinary glimmers such as money, prone to science and art; in short, a perfect woman."[43]. There was a seal on the back of the letter. Although Sultans didn't used to lawfully wed their wives, Birinci Kadins were considered and treated just like lawfully wedded wives. [16]:132 Although she was Suleiman's wife, she exercised no official public role. Because none of these people neither Ottomans nor foreign visitors were permitted into the inner circle of the imperial harem, which was surrounded by multiple walls, they largely relied on the testimony of the servants or courtiers or on the popular gossip circulating around Istanbul. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) Mustafa was later accused of causing unrest. Despite Mahidevrans warnings, he stayed in close contact with the other princes. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Actually you are the one making subjective propositions here. Who were her parents? [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], --Phso2 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Hi again, sorry I noticed now you added "suggests she was a cariye, thus of non-notable family" I will have to remove it because the source only called her Cariye and did not specifically says that she was of non-notable family. Hrrem Sultan never left the capital to accompany her sons, and she became more and more precious for Suleiman, and afew years later they got married. Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Crown. Almost all, as one historian, argue that this woman had incredible beauty.Many historians write that she was a Circassian. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? Although he never visited Istanbul, he either imagined her appearance or had a sketch of her. Suleiman probably feared the reaction of the army. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. Sultans had previously married only foreign free noble ladies. In the end, Mustafa was appointed to governAmasya (close to Persian border) while Mehmet moved to Manisa. [21], Around 1533/1534 (the exact date is unknown),[11] Suleiman married Hurrem in a magnificent formal ceremony. Manisa was the most important province, and according to the tradition, only the favourite prince could be appointed there. Alex2006 (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Keivan.f I haven't searched about mahidvran but happen to have read about her. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death, which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide", each with different legal implications. All the facts have been laid out but you still want to call Mahidevran a sultana when she wasn't: she didn't legally marry Suleyman, nor was the mother of a sultan. The precise year that she entered the harem is unknown, but scholars believe that she became Suleiman's concubine around the time he became sultan in 1520. Concubine by definition is not a slave. Hurrem's influence in state affairs not only made her one of the most influential women, but also a controversial figure in Ottoman history, especially in her rivalry with Mahidevran and her son ehzade Mustafa, and the grand viziers Pargal Ibrahim Pasha and Kara Ahmed Pasha. Pathetic joke!! If you are not convinced we can try to get this on reliable sources noticeboard. 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